KFC Radio Episode 24 Part 2, Would You Trade Andrew Luck For Tom Brady Right Now?
Episode 24 Part 2 coming in hot.
The big discussion in the episode was the hypothetical for Pres, would you trade Brady for Andrew Luck and AP right now. Much to my shock and dismay, Dave and Feitelberg both said no, which may be one the craziest things I have ever heard in my life. Even if you throw AP out of the equation I would trade Luck for Brady right this second and I GUARANTEE the Patriots would do so as well.
I don’t care who it is, to not want to trade for a 22 year old sure thing is absolutely crazy. The whole argument of “you never know what you’ll get” seems crazy to me. You know exactly what you’re going to get, you get an insanely smart quarterback with a rocket arm who is going to be top 5 for the next 2 decades. And don’t even think about throwing injuries into the equation. This isn’t trade 22 year old Andrew Luck for 22 year old Tom Brady, then I agree its no question Brady, but that’s not the question, the question is right now and whether or not your team will sign up for being relevant for 20 years. I honestly think it just boils down to the fact that Boston doesn’t even remember what its like to have a bad quarterback. Drew Bledsoe, although not Brady, was a franchise guy, and then Brady stepped right in. They have no idea what Rex Grossman and Craig Krenzel and Kyle Orton look like. Its so foreign to them. And that’s what the argument boils down to. Yes Brady may have 5-7 good years left, but what happens then? The Patriots could easily go the next decade after that with a QB Carousel. Look at a team like the Jets or the Chiefs, they haven’t had a franchise quarterback in FOREVER. So in my mind the hypothetical is a no brainer and I feel like I’m not in the minority.
I remember Hugh Millen and Tony Eason. Nice try, though.
Brady is a product of the system…mediocre athletic ability, with great mental capabilities to read D and process options, which he has been given a lot of. It is a tough choice, but today I probably agree with you. Brady is one good hit away from making movies.
Luck is a stud. Age means everything in the hypothetical, have to take him
From the outside looking in I’m sure everyone would want to do that trade and, if I put aside all emotion, I make that trade too (Brady for Luck straight up, Luck and AP for Brady is asinine, no debate, done immediately even with emotion). That being said, I want Brady to retire a Patriot and if that means a few more years of diminishing returns and the potential to be on the QB carousel and missing on Luck then so be it.
Also, if its like bullpen says (which I respectfully disagree) then its the system so we have nothing to worry about.
Great banter, guys. You all know a lot about sports.
Did the Matt Cassel experiment teach them nothing? Belechick can throw any pocket quarterback into his system and Gronk, Hernandez, Welker and Lloyd (on occasion) will make it work. This is why you NEVER come to his site for in sports talk or get gambling advice.
The pre-Bledsoe Patriot teams were so terrible that the games weren’t on TV. It hasn’t always been rainbows and unicorns here.
Sask, how do I put this? You’re an idiot. 2008 They went 11-5 and STILL missed the playoffs. The AFC was so horrible and top loaded that year. Pats, with Cassel, beat all bad teams and lost to all the good teams. That was the team that went undefeated in the reg season the year before…team was loaded. With Brady they go undefeated again. Your’s is the dumbest argument on the planet.
you stupid fucks are still trying to pass off this “system QB” garbage? do you know how many different systems Brady has played in his career? you think Kraft is handing out $100mil contracts when he could just bring in any CFL QB for the league minimum and have the same success?
God I hate these stupid ‘It’s the system’ Brady haters. Get over it.
Also no, I would not trade Brady for Luck straight up. What is with all of this Luck being a sure fire top five quarterback for the next two decades? He was OK this year, very good for a rookie, but that doesn’t guarantee him to be top five for two decades. Brady is top three, and should be for a few more years. What is more likely to win you Super Bowls? Brady.
Product of a system? Really? So any QB in the league can come in and run this offense? Answer is no, the system works because of the QB. The system is hard wor,k attention to detail, intelligence and football IQ. As far as the Cassel argument they didn’t make the playoffs so it didn’t really work because that’s why they play the games. I would make the trade for Luck and AP and for Luck straight up his pedigree throughout college and his short stint in the NFL I would say indicates he’s goiong to be good and its all about age.
I hate these fucks that suck Brady’s balls…when the D won 2 rings…and when “We” system people talk…we are talking about “NFL Quality Pro QB’s” could work the system not Uncle Rico from Napoleon Dynamite
Feitelberg looks like Jerry Lee Lewis
Pats fans are delusional idiots if they dont make this hypothetical trade. I definitely disagree with the “its the system” argument and Brady is for sure mega talented, but is also nearing the tail-end of his career. Luck has about another 15 seasons ahead of him and is looking like he is going to have a fantastic career. With AP thrown in, this is such a lopsided trade.
Pats fan here and I would make it in a heartbeat. Luck could easily fit into the system, he’s THAT good.
bullpen, you are a moron. TB12 has missed the playoffs exactly once in his career. When it is all said and done he may end up as the GOAT at the QB position. Pats are in the convo as a legit Super Bowl contender almost every single year. As long as the Pats have a shot at the SB, you do not trade Brady.
brady took us to the playoffs with doug gabriel and fucking reche caldwell and neither that gorilla or bug eyed motha fucka could even find teams when we cut them the next year. brady is the best. period.
Let’s clear one thing up before you Brady homers crawl up my ass, do you guys really think that systems and receivers have nothing to do with Brady’s success? In 2008, Matt Cassell was ranked 11th among QBs in DVOA. There offense was ranked 7th.. You are right that the AFC was top heavy too, but only 3 playoff teams had a higher rank in terms of Offense DVOA. It was the D that dragged them down that year.
In 2009, Cassells went to KC and finished 35th in QBs and 25th in offense.
I am not saying that putting in a fucking plug would be keep NE among leaders, I am just pointing out that Belechick runs a fucking tight ship. PS- I would love to have Brady on my team for 3-5 years too. Guy has great vision and is a great leader.
Felger…GOAT is Montana..Brady was in the conversation for a while and will be considered a great no doubt, but not GOAT….We are talking about a young Luck vs an aging Brady. Brady hasn’t won a big game for a while and shits his pants around any and all good pass rushes..he fucking ducks from shadows now
Bullpen, Montana is retired. Brady still has a few years left to get another ring (including this year). If Brady gets another ring, he is the GOAT. Keep in mind that the Brady is doing all of this in the salary cap era, when it is much more difficult to build a dynastic team. Keep in mind that the 2006 Pats had exactly 2 Pro Bowlers on that team (neither of which was TB), and they came a last minute drive away from going to another SB. His wideouts on the team were Troy Brown, Reche Caldwell, Jabar Gaffney, Bam Childress, Chad Jackson, and Kelvin Knight. Not exactly Rice and Taylor.
you are stuck on stupid if you think that Big Cat. You maybe a funny blogger but your sports knowledge sucks
@bullpen – if this system can take any NFL caliber QB, even the average ones as you mentioned, and turn them into a record-shattering HOFer then why the fuck wouldnt every other NFL franchise copy this system? theyve been doing it for + a decade so its not like there arent hundreds of hours of film on them. youre telling me the Pats have this system for all the world to see on display for over 10 years where you can plug in a guy and have him throw for +4500 yards, +35 TDs, and less than 10 INTs and these multi-million dollar franchises cant come close to replicating it? well then im telling you youre fucking retarded.
Nobody ever said Brady was a stiff…Lets put it this way..Brady’s abilities are perfect for the system he is in…I don’t think he does as well elsewhere..he is a legit HOFer….@Felger…if it happens and I hope it does great….@EZ…I didn’t see Brady do this all by himself…you give no recognition to a team and a coach that prepares them better than most…his short passes are more like runs with his YAC being crazy…Thank you Welker….
You Brady lovers are sure a sensitive bunch.. Nobody will argue that he is a 1st ballot HOFer. He even put up the best season statistically ever recorded by DVOA (07 with 50 TDs and only 8 ints). But over the last 10 years, P Manning has had better stats. Numbers don’t lie.
saskstoolie, good for Manning to have those great stats. Guy played half of his games in a dome. Try doing that when your home field is Gillette.
If not Luck, would you guys trade for Aaron Rodgers?
@bullpen – who said he did it all by himself? youre the one saying he is replaceable with any pro-level QB. i asked why havent any other teams replicated this system in the last 10 years if thats the case. still waiting on an answer. @sask – thats greay for Peyton, he’s also below .500 for his career in the playoffs, 1-3 when his team is the #1 or #2 seed, has been 1-and-done 7 times, and had twice as many picks as TDs in the only postseason he won a big trophy. he can keep the 1.35% edge in completion percentage over Brady if that helps.
Rodgers would probably be more of an argument. However, why go fixing something that ain’t broke?
@EZ…the last 7 Superbowl winners have not been the Patriots so other teams have. Its a system that works for the Pats and Brady… not the System for the NFL. Your oversimplification is moronic. Brady is 0-2 against Eli in the big game.
To everyone who says Brady is a system QB…When he was at Michigan he ran a totally different system, and had to deal with the fact that the coaching staff had a hard on for Drew Henson. He managed to win 10 games in the Big 10 that year, bringing them back from behind time after time when Henson fucked the game up. He won the Orange Bowl coming from down 14 two separate times against a very very good Alabama team. This was when he was 21, not nearly as experienced, with comparatively little talent, and he was the heart and soul of that football team. Oh, and at Michigan they didn’t run the Patriots system. As a matter of fact, Brady has had 3 different offensive coordinators since he’s been in the league too…so how exactly is his success at all a factor of the system?
Also sask, you’re right, numbers don’t lie between Peyton and Brady…the numbers are Brady 3, Peyton 1, Brady wins
Fanboys need not apply because you do not understand basic reasoning (Woodheadisthegreatest – which speaks far more about you as a football fan than anything else).. DVOA is by far the most comparative stat.. If you don’t like it, too fucking bad, get mad at NFL professionals. It combines every major stat in every situation. I have said before Brady is great, unbelievable leader, great vision, and good passer. But what the statistics tells me, is that if you put P. Manning is put on the same Patriots team, in the same situations, then he wins more often. Basic probability..